Living With SMA
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Ep 41: Getting ready for Uni
Uni Bound: Navigating University Life with a Disability
In this insightful episode of *Uni Bound*, host Ross Lannon is joined by guests Molly Everitt and Zoe Henderson for a candid discussion on preparing for university while living with a long-term disability. Together, they explore the added pressures of managing university life, from securing accessible accommodations in halls to coordinating support from carers. The conversation dives into the emotional and logistical challenges that disabled students face, while offering practical advice on advocating for your needs, navigating university services, and building a support network. If you're a student with a disability or simply want to understand the complexities of university life from this perspective, this episode provides invaluable insights, empathy, and encouragement.
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We really hope you enjoy the podcast, and please do connect with our charity and share your comments online and let us know what you think. From all the team at SMA UK, thank you for listening. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to a brand new episode of the Living With SMA podcast. We're back with a new episode. It's very exciting, and today's episode is all around university. It's that time of year, people are getting back in the swing of things, so we thought it's the perfect time to talk about uni. We're going to be talking about essentially university with a disability and we're going to be doing this in two parts today. So part one, this episode, it's all going to be about those initial preparations, preparing for uni. We're going to be talking about the exciting side of uni, freshers, all that good stuff, and just the general kind of settling in, making friends, adjusting to this new way of life with some ongoing support as well. So that is going to be what we're going to be discussing today. And we've got a great team here to talk through this subject. So we'll start with some like introductions. I believe we've got a pair of besties on the show today, which is very exciting. So let's start with some intros. Just tell us who you are, where you're from and I'd love to know a little bit about, in your intros, about what uni you went to, if you're happy to share, and what subjects you're studying. So let's start with you, Zoe, please. Sure. I mean, I've doxed myself on the internet about which university I go to, but I go to Henley Business School in Reading. I'm going into my fourth year and I've just completed a placement year at Walt Disney Company in London. That was a really great experience that I got to do through going to university. Yeah, I'm kind of going into my final year now, but I've really enjoyed my university experience. I live in halls and I have done for four years, and I have a team of carers that live in the room next to me, not all at the same time, obviously, one shift. And yeah, it's been a great experience for me. Obviously challenging, but yeah, I've had a really good time. Good to know. Well, we're going to be delving into all the good and the bad throughout this episode. Molly, can we have an intro from you, please? Yeah, so I'm Molly, I'm 21, I'm from Devon and I go to university in Liverpool. I study Law with Criminology and I'm just going into my final year. I've had the same carer for the last three years, but I'm currently in the process of kind of getting a new team of carers. So just going through interviews and everything like that at the moment, but I'm moving back up tomorrow. So yeah, excited to start my new year. Nice. Okay. And I should probably just explain my involvement in this as well. I'm Ross, I'm the host for today, going to be guiding the conversation. However, I didn't go to uni, so all the questions I'm going to be asking you guys today, I am genuinely interested in, because I have very little knowledge of how it all works, essentially, because when I left education, when I left college, I decided not to go to uni and go into employment instead. So yeah, this is a really fascinating subject today, and I'm looking forward to delving into it. I thought the best place to start before we get into like the nitty gritty heavy stuff, I think uni, I think Freshers Week. Should we start with like the positive aspects, the party life? I'd love to know what your experience has been as individuals with disabilities experiencing Freshers Week. I'm already getting some laughs and smiles there, Zoe, so let's start with you. I don't think you're going to be particularly impressed with my party lifestyle. I'm much more of a kind of quiet person, I would say, in terms of like Freshers Week and stuff. So I really went to all of the kind of day stuff in Freshers Week, like societies and like the fairs and things. And I met like new people doing that and kind of through my flatmate and things. And I've only really started kind of going, like doing more kind of freshery things, actually not in Freshers year, kind of in my second and third year, especially being in London and things. So yeah, obviously, I mean, I always joke with my friends that I think university is a bit like a holiday camp, which probably isn't very studious of me. But it does feel like that when you wake up in the morning and you're like, what are we going to do today? Should we go have a coffee here or go here and do this, do that. So I've definitely, yeah, I kind of love the social aspect of uni. Okay. And for those that don't know what Freshers Week is, I mean, in my head, I don't know the actual practicalities of Freshers Week. In my head, it's just like a week of partying. But what is the actual purpose of Freshers Week? Freshers Week is the, it's a week before all of your lectures and seminars start where the university put on a bunch of events. So there's kind of evening things every night, like usually themed that you can go to in the student union. And also they often, well, in Reading anyway, they collaborate with the town centre clubs and things. And then during the day, they also do like different fairs, they do some like treasure hunts and things like that, just to kind of meet new people. And it's kind of a great way to get involved in the first week of uni. So that's kind of what Freshers Week is like, at Reading uni anyway. What about you, Molly, at Liverpool? Mine's very similar. Yeah, I think we had a lot of, like freshers fair where you'd go and you'd get you meet all the different societies and you'd go and get all your freebies from all the different companies that were there. And then yes, sort of go out at night with all the people that you lived with in your halls to kind of meet new people and everything. I know for me, I think I did go out every night of Freshers Week. Massively regretted it afterwards, but yeah, I had a great week, to be fair. I met some of like my best friends in that week. So yeah. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, you had me at freebies to be found all over, free pen. Yeah, I show up every year to get the freebies. Well, this is one of the initial anxieties that a lot of people have, I assume, when going to university is the social aspect of am I going to find, or am I going to get on with new friends? That's one of the key parts, isn't it? Because I feel like if you're not, if you haven't got that support bubble around you straight away, it's going to make it a little bit harder to start off. Did you find that, Molly? Yeah, I think I never got particularly close to the people I lived with. The way that Liverpool did the accommodation was that it was flats of eight, but if you were in an accessible room, you only had two other flatmates besides your carer. And for me, the two girls I was placed in were lovely, they were really nice, but they all had friends from home. So I kind of never felt like I became close friends with them. So I met people kind of through some girl on my course arranged like a picnic in the first week and everyone went along to that, so I met some people there. And then things like the university held a big party on one of the nights, so I met a few people there. So I think I met people more through that way than actually people that I sort of lived with. Yeah, I think obviously if you're in a bigger flat, it's a lot easier to meet people, I think. People I was paired with just kind of already had mates. So I never became particularly close with them, but. Got you. And Zoe, are there any kind of like standout memories or funny moments that really jump out to you when you think of Freshers Week? Any Freshers Week anthems or just anything that reminds you of those early day memories? I honestly don't. Can I just say something about the accommodation thing? Sorry to jump back. Just on the accommodation thing. I actually found the same thing with the accommodation. So I went to visit a couple of different unis and looked around their accommodation. I visited Oxford Brookes. I visited, I believe, Bath and things like that as well. And that was something that was quite common with the flats, that any accessible flats, you'd be put in with just yourself or with other disabled people, which is obviously fine. But I think if you're trying to kind of integrate as best you can into that university, which is something that people really worry about doing, it's something just worth asking, because often the people who are showing you around the accommodation don't even consider it as a kind of a drawback. Whereas I actually chose Reading Uni because the accommodation flats, all of the flats in the area of my accommodation were accessible, so I knew I'd be able to go to flat parties in other flats. And also I knew that I would be integrated into a flat of seven people rather than being by myself. So it is something to bear in mind if you're kind of looking for a university and you are able to go and visit, it's not something that I kind of spotted and I was a bit concerned about. So definitely, yeah, I had the same experience as you, Molly, looking around and just being like, hmm. People, the kind of the people that showed you around, they were very happy about the idea. They were like, Oh, don't worry, this flat will be so quiet, you'll be completely undisturbed. And I was like, I want to be disturbed. I want to be disturbed. So yeah, so that is definitely something. That's a good point, really, really good point, actually. Because yeah, that's the side of things that people don't think. It's not just wanting your own room and your own flat to be accessible. You want other people's to be as well so that you can go and join in. That's a really key point that, I guess, yeah, like the organisers wouldn't have thought about. So let's continue the conversation of accommodation, then, because this is a big sort of bugbear for a lot of people. It's a very important issue. How much research, Molly, did you have to do in advance when it came to picking a university and the accessibility in general? I did a lot. I know for me, I was always set on Liverpool. I knew that if I got into Liverpool, there wasn't anywhere else I wanted to go to. But I know the year that we went to university, the sort of time of applying was COVID times. So it was really hard to actually go and visit the universities and sort of see in person what the accommodation looked like. So I only actually got to go up and visit it in the June and I moved up in the September. And I went up and the room that was actually allocated to me wasn't suitable. So it was kind of a bit of a last minute thing then of being like, okay, you need to allocate me a different room and you've got kind of very little time to be able to do it. I did do a lot of research 'cause Liverpool has a lot of different halls and they have a few that are kind of like you have to get a bus ride to and things like that. But for me, I knew that it would be a lot better if I was just kind of staying on campus 'cause it would make everything a lot easier. So yeah, it all worked out in the end, but it was a very much a last minute change to get the room that I actually needed. My room was great. I had sort of an adjoining carer room and everything like that. So yeah, it did work out in the end, but it was a bit stressful for a minute because, wasn't looking very good. Yeah. And that's not the start you want, is it? Like you're stressed enough with a lot going on. It's big changes. I think there's always going to be hiccups and things like this, but that's quite a big, your room is your space. That's your safe space. That's your sanctuary. You need that to be perfect, don't you? Yeah, completely. I think because I'd been allocated a room so much before everyone else had been, so in my head it was all sorted and they'd sent me pictures of it and the pictures all looked great. And then it was only when I saw it in person sort of a couple of months before we realised that it wasn't going to work. So yeah, they had to move a lot of things around, but it did get sorted in the end. So. Good. Glad to hear that. Well, we are talking about like the early preparations, 'cause some of our listeners today may be in the process of looking at uni for the future, or they may be sort of in those early stages of starting themselves. So in terms of preparation, Zoe, what are kind of the must pack essential items that you recommend that people take? Well, that's a really good question. Obviously, the biggest thing is all of the equipment that we need. I think that's something that I found quite stressful was to get everything sorted and things pre delivered to the room that needed to be there, like electric beds and shower chairs and all that sort of thing that goes along with having SMA. I would say I didn't pack enough going out outfits, and I wish I had. So that's my top tip. I didn't pack enough going out outfits and tops. What else? I think I would've made my room more homely from the beginning as well. Like I know that sounds a bit silly, but I think it would've helped me settle in a lot better if I had kind of made my room my own. I think I'd moved in and I felt quite out of place. I felt like I was living in someone else's house. And I'm quite a homebody, so I think I would've brought more decorations and things. I mean, now I have like probably two cars' worth of decorations that need to be brought home at the end of each year, so I might have gone a bit overboard. But I would've started earlier, I would've made it bit more homely.'Cause I think those first couple weeks can just feel really stressful and, like you said, you want your room to be kind of like your safe place where you can go back to after being out all day and things. So that's kind of something that I wish I'd taken more of or done more of, going out tops and decorations. I like that, though. No, it's really nice because it is a big life change and you're bound to be feeling homesick. So it's those, it's those little touches of adding your own little home decor or photographs, whatever it is you want to do that that really does make the difference. Molly, are there any kind of sort of uni life hacks or anything that springs to mind that you've kind of discovered over the years that has made your life a lot easier now being away from home? Oh, I found leaving a lot of stuff at uni over the holidays are quite helpful, because I think especially being in a wheelchair, obviously it's hard to carry a lot of bags back on the train and everything on your own. So for me, I would always try and pack the least amount I could and leave as much as I could up in halls, because trying to get home on the train on my own, obviously, it's a long journey from Devon to Liverpool, was a bit of a stressful experience. So I kind of, each time I came home would bring a little bit more so that when it did get to the summer holidays and I was there for three months, I had already got loads of stuff there. And it just kind of helped the sort of moving out period in first year, but also the thought that I didn't have to bring home three suitcases by myself on the train, because that's not something I wanted to do. And you're nodding there, Zoe. Anything you want to add to that? You agree with Molly? Maybe I should have done that. It's taken two vans I had to come down. Well, I also think you can pay for storage over the summer as well if that's able to afford. A lot of my international friends, they just put all of their stuff in storage over the summer, because obviously they can't fly all of their belongings back to wherever they, you know, whatever country they have come here from. So I think that a lot of people I know do that and they put all of their stuff in storage for the summer, and a lot of student storage places will have summer discounts that they can give you, which makes things a lot more affordable. And I didn't realise that was really even a thing until this year when my friends said, oh, we're just going to put all our stuff in storage. And I was like, you can do that? So that's definitely something that I wish I'd known kind of end of first year, if that's something that you are interested in doing. Yeah, and I feel like a lot of people, a lot of people, anxieties that they have regarding going to university, a lot of that probably stems from their own anxieties regarding their disability. So I think I'm intrigued to know what kind of support services are available from university staff and other organisations. Did you have much involvement, Molly, with those sort of extra support services, and how was your experience with that? So I didn't have a lot. When I'm sort of actually at university in terms of like in my lectures and stuff, I don't really need too much additional support, but I had quite a few meetings with sort of the disability advice team before I started, over Zoom and everything like that. So they were just aware of everything that I needed help with. And then when I actually started university, we had a meeting together in person. We went through all the buildings I was in, sort of through my timetable to make sure that each one was still accessible and I could get around each one, and also to put in place like the fire evacuation plans if I wasn't on the ground floor. So we went through a lot like that and they were also there if I needed any sort of particular equipment or anything like that, they were really helpful. And we've got an actual sort of building in the university for just sort of the disability team that we can go to if we have any questions, which means you kind of get them answered straight away as well, which has been quite helpful, 'cause a lot of them are disabled students that run the building, which is nice, 'cause they obviously again are a little bit more understanding of what you kind of need. So yeah, I haven't needed a lot from them, but every time I have, even if it's just like a change in my exam conditions or something like that, they've always been really helpful and got it sorted really quickly. That's good to know. It's nice to know that the people in those positions are the people with the lived experience and they're able to understand and maybe support a bit more with a bit more understanding. That's nice. How about in Reading, Zoe? Have you had much involvement with those sort of disability support services? So I had a kind of a disability assessment done before I went to uni, which they set me up with a lot of equipment and things and, you know, extra monitors. And then also I believe, I can't remember, but I believe the funding for note takers for the lectures came for that as well. And Reading Uni actually sought all of that out themselves. Well, Reading Uni sort all of that out themselves, which is very useful, because obviously if you have people in your team that maybe if there's like, what's the word? If there's vacancies in your team and you have PAs coming and things like that, it can obviously be difficult to have someone come and take notes to your lectures and things. So Reading Uni put someone in for me so I don't have to worry about that. I know sometimes people do kind of a hybrid situation where their PA is also their note takers if they need help note taking at uni. And so obviously, if there's vacancies and things, I tended to find that the university were better at sorting that sort of thing out. So I had them, I also, I met quite a lot with their disability advisory service and they were helpful sometimes and not helpful other times. I think they are not, it's not run in Reading by students with disabilities. So sometimes I think maybe a little bit of miscommunication here and there. I'd found out in my third year that the building I'd been going into had no like fire escape lifts or anything for people in wheelchairs, and all of my timetable had to be rescheduled for my second year. So things like that, kind of miscommunications and things. But overall it's really, I think I've had a positive experience. You know, it's really helped me to become like self, like self advocate more and things. So even those experiences that were maybe a little bit more on the dodgy side for me, I found that they really helped me build confidence in talking to people about what I needed at university. That confidence is key, isn't it? And I guess now that you guys are into, you know, you're a few more years in now, if any issues crop up now, I'm sure you know exactly where you need to go, who you need to speak to. And again, that comes down to the confidence, doesn't it? That's definitely something that develops over time as well. Like, I remember my first year I got there and the drain was blocked and then the window wouldn't close and my door wouldn't lock. You know, all those little things that I didn't know what to do about them. I was worried to even ring someone on the phone, which is crazy to me now because, you know, three years on, four years on, I've worked full time in corporate, I'd done Zoom calls and all kinds of things. In my first year I was just afraid to ring someone up to ask maintenance to come and fix something in my bathroom. So it is crazy the growth that going to university gives you, just confidence in sorting things out for yourself and being like a functioning adult. So yeah, that's something definitely developed with time. That was not something I was good at at the beginning. And I found it really difficult. I remember talking on the phone to my mum during the day, having a little cry and then a maintenance person walking in and being like, Can I fix... And just being like, Oh, it's over there in the bathroom. So yeah, obviously, less crying now, which is great. But something I definitely, you know, it's got a lot easier over time. That's what we like to hear. Less tears. Less tears. That's what we like. As I said at the beginning of this podcast, I made the decision not to go to university, purely for me. My main reasoning for that was because there wasn't a subject that I felt passionate enough about to warrant going for. That was my kind of main reason, but I did go and look at a fairly local university for me. And I'll never forget like being shown around the room. And I just remember like the guide person telling us how like throughout the night, obviously a lot of youngsters partying, and when there's various alcohol and things involved, they would talk about how like the fire alarms would be going off in the early hours of the morning and everyone had to get out of bed and go and meet outside. I'm just like, I cannot be getting out of bed at like 3, 4 AM in the morning because some drunk person has pressed a fire alarm like every night. I just remember that as a key moment. Is that the reality of what happens, Molly? Yeah. I mean, it didn't happen too much in my first year of halls. I moved into a private accommodation that was still student in my second year, and it used to go off there all the time. It was a studio flat, sort of a block of flats, so obviously your kitchen being in your room, anything, anytime anyone cooked anything, anytime anyone left the tap on for too long, like an alarm would go off. And the amount of times we had to either evacuate or just get woken up at 3 AM in the morning because someone's alarm had gone off again was ridiculous. Oh, God. Well, I want to just touch on as well, another really key important aspect to to the early stages of planning of going to uni is PAs. They are such an important role within the uni experience to enable those of us with disabilities to be able to function and succeed. I'd love to know sort of the process of meeting your PAs and did you get any say in who you had? Did you, was you heavily involved in that at all, Zoe? Yeah. So if you're from, well, me and Molly both use Astrals. So they kind of helped with the process of getting PAs and things. Don't know if you're allowed to mention trans people on your podcast. Yeah, you can. So me and Molly both use Astrals. For me, I received my, I mean, I can't even remember it, 'cause it was so long ago, but there was a whole back and forth about how much funding I'd be receiving. And then once that came through and I was able, and I picked the university and I'd confirmed, you know, which university halls I was staying in, then I was able to start advertising for my PA team, Astrals put the advert up for me I started to interview applicants, which is obviously very weird kind of vibes for being just freshly turned 18 and having to interview somebody when I did not know what I was doing. I went... Luckily Astrals have kind of a pretty set list of questions that I went off most of the time. But I think as well, because obviously I was in Bristol, which is my hometown, obviously, you can't really go and meet these people face to face. So a lot of the interviews were happening on Zoom and you have to get a good feel for the person like talking over Zoom, which is sometimes a bit difficult and nerve racking when you're meeting them for the first time and you've kind of only met them online. I think it's kind of, yeah, it's kind of a little bit of a weird situation. So yeah, I ended up employing a team, and I'm, I have 24 hour PAs. So, I had probably four or five different people who I met for the first time on Freshers Week and started managing a team for the first... It was crazy, honestly. I'd never even really, I'd never obviously lived by myself. And then having to interact with strangers essentially for the first week of Freshers was, it was quite a lot, I think. Freshers in itself is a lot having to meet and be, you know, around strangers is a lot. So I did find it really difficult. Obviously now, brilliant works so well, but definitely in the beginning it was a little bit, a little bit unnerving, a bit challenging. Yeah. I think, like anything in life, these changes, they take time to settle and now you're thriving. So it's just that prime example of, you know, getting through those initial stages, setting up your routine, knowing, building that relationship and knowing what works and what doesn't to try and settle into that uni life. And Molly, I know earlier on, you mentioned your PAs kind of had, was it a bit of like an adjoining room? And I guess that adds an added pressure of like, essentially, you know, living as well with somebody and and getting that support as well. How's the PAs at uni experience been for you? So I went sort of, I had a very different experience I'd say to Zoe, who had the bigger team. I started off with two people who were going to do a week on week off, sort of 24 hours a day for that week, and then they would swap over. So yeah, I started off with two people. It didn't work out with one of them. We kind of just didn't really click, you know, it just doesn't always work out. So I ended up, actually, with Shannon, who did the full three years of me of my first part of uni, which was just amazing. She was my only PA kind of for the full time that I was there. Yeah, we like became the best of friends. We had a really good time together, but she's actually just left. So I'm kind of going back to similar to what Zoe's doing now where I have a slightly bigger team and go back to like the week on, week off situation. Hiring PAs is a very long, very stressful process. I currently have one, but as I said, I'll be back to uni tomorrow, and she only works every other week, so not been fully sorted yet, but I'm hoping that we'll find someone good soon that can fill the other week. So. Absolutely, and this, these are the important subjects we need to talk about. This is the realities of, you know, life with a disability. You know, there's, obviously ups and there's obviously downs as well, and it's really important that we highlight these issues as well. So yeah, I really do appreciate you both kind of sharing your stories there. On a sort of final note, I would love to know within this episode, kind of looking back on those initial stages, that first year of uni, essentially, is there anything you would've done differently or any particular advice that you can pass on to a listener today who's about to join? We'll start with you, Zoe. My gosh, where to start? There's so many things. I think for me, I would've looked after myself a little bit more and taken kind of a bit more time to just do self care and things in my first year of uni. It can be very... Like the lifestyle of kind of going out all the time and getting, drunk with your friends can be very like, it's very like an attractive... It is attractive, isn't it? It's like university lifestyle. It's glamorised, you know, the whole like going off the deep end and enjoying university experience to like its maximum. And I think, I think I got a chest infection like that winter, which lasted like for 10 weeks or something ridiculous. And I think I'd kind of run myself down a little bit by December. And obviously, you know, it's your first time living away from home, you're having to like feed yourself and things. So all of those extra things that kind of go along with just trying to stay healthy, and I think I would've taken myself in hand and just kind of said, you know, actually, like the way I am, I don't think I, you know, I think I should have slowed down and not tried to partake in that kind of lifestyle. Like it's super fun, obviously, do it for your Freshers Week, but kind of looking after myself, I think I would've done that, taken that a bit more seriously. Bit of self care. Absolutely. And Molly, what about you? Anything you would've done differently looking back? I think quite similar to Zoe. I mean, I had an absolutely amazing first year, I enjoyed every second of it. But yeah, I did get ill quite a bit, and I think just sort of remembering that you need to kind of take care of yourself, but I also think, and it sounds really cliche, but just really make the most of everything, because it does go so quickly. And I remember when I started, my parents said to me it goes really fast, and I kind of didn't believe them, and I'm going back for my final year and it really does just go by so quickly. And it is so important to kind of make sure you are taking every opportunity and just enjoying every single day, because it is such a fun time. But it does go by so quickly, and before you know it, you're kind of moving out and that part of your life is over. So I think it's really important to, you know, meet up with people as much as you can and try new things that are completely out of your comfort zone, because that's how I met some of my friends, and it was things I didn't want to go and do, but it was important that you did to go and meet new people,'cause obviously everyone's in the same position of not knowing anyone. So yeah, just like pushing yourself out of your comfort zone, I think, because it does pay off in the end. I like that. That's a really nice little touch there, and a great way to sort of round up this episode now. Because yeah, I've really enjoyed sort of listening to both of your stories and hearing those sort of initial processes of, you know, your stories of, joining university. And hopefully anybody listening out there today has sort of found a bit of comfort or, yeah, just enjoyed listening to these stories. And there are people out there to support and listen to you. If you do need any extra support as well, you can always reach out to SMA UK. Thank you both for, joining us today and having a chat. We are going to be continuing this conversation in a part two episode, so if you would like to join myself, Zoe and Molly, we will be recording another university related episode, and in that next episode we are going to be discussing sort of post first year university. We're going to be looking into sort of the more future second year university. We're going to be talking about the process of going to lectures. We're going to be looking more in depth at housing and moving out of, potentially moving out of those type of halls of residence. We're going to be looking at transport as well and discussing that general life with a disability. And I'm sure Zoe and Molly have got more tips and advice to share. So yes, make sure to keep an eye out for that next episode coming up. We'll see you very soon. Goodbye. You've been listening to the Living with SMA podcast. We hope you can join us again next time. But in the meantime, don't forget to like and subscribe so you don't miss an episode. You can find out more on our website at smauk.org.uk.